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		<title>By: USA / Michael Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2030</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Michael Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I know you like the guy -- I get that. But, a couple of points:

First, the law doesn&#039;t &quot;make him a terrorist,&quot; but uses the term &quot;terroristic threats.&quot; That is, a threat meant to terrorize or place someone in fear. Doing that is illegal. You cannot legally say, &quot;I intend to harm you,&quot; &quot;I intend to blow up this building,&quot; or &quot;I intend to burn this building down.&quot; Uttering the words themselves is an illegal act because they are threats, just as it is illegal to yell &quot;FIRE&quot; in a crowded building. Using threatening words is not what sane people do; your young friend was clearly having mental issues (as evidenced by his choice of deportation over a short jailhouse penance). School authorities and law enforcement officials remember Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech, whose behavior prior to his murderous rampage was within half a stride of that of Zhai. Bottom line: Zhai is nuts. Loopy. Whacko. With a history of previous encounters with law enforcement. He made a threat to destroy a building. You can&#039;t do that here. Zhai may be a hero to people who admire bad behavior; he may have had cultural issues; he may suffer from some organic mental trauma that is not his fault; but he is most emphatically NOT a victim in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I know you like the guy &#8212; I get that. But, a couple of points:</p>
<p>First, the law doesn&#8217;t &#8220;make him a terrorist,&#8221; but uses the term &#8220;terroristic threats.&#8221; That is, a threat meant to terrorize or place someone in fear. Doing that is illegal. You cannot legally say, &#8220;I intend to harm you,&#8221; &#8220;I intend to blow up this building,&#8221; or &#8220;I intend to burn this building down.&#8221; Uttering the words themselves is an illegal act because they are threats, just as it is illegal to yell &#8220;FIRE&#8221; in a crowded building. Using threatening words is not what sane people do; your young friend was clearly having mental issues (as evidenced by his choice of deportation over a short jailhouse penance). School authorities and law enforcement officials remember Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech, whose behavior prior to his murderous rampage was within half a stride of that of Zhai. Bottom line: Zhai is nuts. Loopy. Whacko. With a history of previous encounters with law enforcement. He made a threat to destroy a building. You can&#8217;t do that here. Zhai may be a hero to people who admire bad behavior; he may have had cultural issues; he may suffer from some organic mental trauma that is not his fault; but he is most emphatically NOT a victim in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2029</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 01:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What actually TianTian Zhai said was really diffirent from What He actually did. Did he hide any guns or any fire device or bomb powder if yes ,put him in prison immediately!!!But if not he just had just said some inappropriate words,he was already put in prison for what he said for. what do some people really really  want?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What actually TianTian Zhai said was really diffirent from What He actually did. Did he hide any guns or any fire device or bomb powder if yes ,put him in prison immediately!!!But if not he just had just said some inappropriate words,he was already put in prison for what he said for. what do some people really really  want?!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2028</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 00:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;bullshit&lt;/strong&gt;! Just some words can make him a terrorist??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>bullshit</strong>! Just some words can make him a terrorist??</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Michael Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2026</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Michael Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theorum: I can&#039;t speak for the rest of the country, but in New Jersey &quot;the rule of law&quot; is alive and well, and protecting the public. Let&#039;s be clear: Zhai made a definite threat against the school, a felony offense. Trials are expensive procedures, so plea bargains are often ways to save time and money; I also believe prosecutors were trying to treat an obviously disturbed young man with compassion. Zhai again displayed his evident irrationality by rejecting the plea, despite the fact that the alternative - deportation - was an even worse outcome for him personally. So instead of being allowed to live and study here (with the understanding that he would have to behave himself), he chose a set of bracelets and a plane ticket. I hope he calms down and avoids the opportunity to experience how China deals with those who threaten to burn down &lt;em&gt;its &lt;/em&gt;public buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theorum: I can&#8217;t speak for the rest of the country, but in New Jersey &#8220;the rule of law&#8221; is alive and well, and protecting the public. Let&#8217;s be clear: Zhai made a definite threat against the school, a felony offense. Trials are expensive procedures, so plea bargains are often ways to save time and money; I also believe prosecutors were trying to treat an obviously disturbed young man with compassion. Zhai again displayed his evident irrationality by rejecting the plea, despite the fact that the alternative &#8211; deportation &#8211; was an even worse outcome for him personally. So instead of being allowed to live and study here (with the understanding that he would have to behave himself), he chose a set of bracelets and a plane ticket. I hope he calms down and avoids the opportunity to experience how China deals with those who threaten to burn down <em>its </em>public buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / theorem</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / theorem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 04:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an update.  

Even up to today the US prosecutors has failed to indict Zhai on any account.  They had offered Zhai a plead bargain - if Zhai pleaded guilty to a &quot;petit disorderly conduct&quot; charge then Zhai would be released - apparently the prosecutors could not make the case for the &quot;terroristic threat,&quot; the allegation with which they had detained Zhai for months.  Anyway, Zhai rejected the plead bargain, and then he was handcuffed and deported back to his home country.  Where is the rule of law in the USA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an update.  </p>
<p>Even up to today the US prosecutors has failed to indict Zhai on any account.  They had offered Zhai a plead bargain &#8211; if Zhai pleaded guilty to a &#8220;petit disorderly conduct&#8221; charge then Zhai would be released &#8211; apparently the prosecutors could not make the case for the &#8220;terroristic threat,&#8221; the allegation with which they had detained Zhai for months.  Anyway, Zhai rejected the plead bargain, and then he was handcuffed and deported back to his home country.  Where is the rule of law in the USA?</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Michael Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-2001</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Michael Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mister Neuteboom, who wrote the original article for The Stute, has provided the clearest view of this situation. Zhai clearly made a violent threat to burn down a building -- not too different from a bomb threat, really. People get arrested for that. Neuteboom&#039;s article also indicates serious behavior problems earlier, including an arrest in New York. This is the same sort of behavior that went unaddressed in the case of Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech, with sad consequences. Thirty-two gravestones is a number that resonates with administrators charged with campus safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mister Neuteboom, who wrote the original article for The Stute, has provided the clearest view of this situation. Zhai clearly made a violent threat to burn down a building &#8212; not too different from a bomb threat, really. People get arrested for that. Neuteboom&#8217;s article also indicates serious behavior problems earlier, including an arrest in New York. This is the same sort of behavior that went unaddressed in the case of Seung-Hui Cho at Virginia Tech, with sad consequences. Thirty-two gravestones is a number that resonates with administrators charged with campus safety.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / bang</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-1967</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / bang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the one hand, US still has discriminations on the colored people. on the other hand, we are going to live in a reign of torror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the one hand, US still has discriminations on the colored people. on the other hand, we are going to live in a reign of torror.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Neuteboom</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-1963</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Neuteboom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theorem,

Thank you for the kind words. Our newspaper strives to get as many details as possible about our stories. Also, I was unaware of the comments on the website and took a look at them.

Let me provide some more background information. Actually, Stevens IT is not prosecuting in this case. Because these are criminal charges, Hudson County itself will be prosecuting.

Also, there seems to be a lot of stigma about people and things being labeled as &quot;terroristic.&quot;  Terroristic threats are not something open to interpretation. Threats to burn down a school building are very serious. And this was not some paranoid delusion perceived by a professor. He literally called into the school and threatened to burn it down!

Several of my friends and my colleagues have filled in certain details about his odd behavior around the time of his arrest. Since he was suspended, the fear of deportation was most likely resting heavily on his mind. As well, even the department he was under was noticing his odd behavior as well. 

Thanks for reading everyone. Remember, don&#039;t believe everything you read! There are always two sides to every story. You should consult other sources before coming to an educated and informed conclusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theorem,</p>
<p>Thank you for the kind words. Our newspaper strives to get as many details as possible about our stories. Also, I was unaware of the comments on the website and took a look at them.</p>
<p>Let me provide some more background information. Actually, Stevens IT is not prosecuting in this case. Because these are criminal charges, Hudson County itself will be prosecuting.</p>
<p>Also, there seems to be a lot of stigma about people and things being labeled as &#8220;terroristic.&#8221;  Terroristic threats are not something open to interpretation. Threats to burn down a school building are very serious. And this was not some paranoid delusion perceived by a professor. He literally called into the school and threatened to burn it down!</p>
<p>Several of my friends and my colleagues have filled in certain details about his odd behavior around the time of his arrest. Since he was suspended, the fear of deportation was most likely resting heavily on his mind. As well, even the department he was under was noticing his odd behavior as well. </p>
<p>Thanks for reading everyone. Remember, don&#8217;t believe everything you read! There are always two sides to every story. You should consult other sources before coming to an educated and informed conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: sTorm</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-1962</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to ignore the statement of the school. It was a real threat and very severe. Let&#039;s just talk about it. Are you hoping that the U.S government law also to ignore this case, the fact of the suspect&#039;s abnormal behavior? Then you may also directly go to a public building and shout to a security guard, &quot;I am going to burn down this building!&quot;, and you will be fine. But I personally doubt this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to ignore the statement of the school. It was a real threat and very severe. Let&#8217;s just talk about it. Are you hoping that the U.S government law also to ignore this case, the fact of the suspect&#8217;s abnormal behavior? Then you may also directly go to a public building and shout to a security guard, &#8220;I am going to burn down this building!&#8221;, and you will be fine. But I personally doubt this.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / theorem</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/1075#comment-1961</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / theorem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Neuteboorm:  Thanks for the comment.  The blog you provided via your link, however, has not made the case for Stevens IT.  Stevens IT surely has its reputation at stake here, and your blog merely covers the allegations made by the school administration against Zhai.  In fact, the majority of the comments following your blog has provided a few rebuttals to your blog.

I have to admit that the term &quot;terroristic threat&quot; is new to me.  So our country is really going down the route of criminalizing certain kinds of speeches?  Adding the adjective &quot;terroristic&quot; surely could terrify a few.  The problem is who is to decide whether a speech is sufficiently &quot;terroristic&quot; or not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Neuteboorm:  Thanks for the comment.  The blog you provided via your link, however, has not made the case for Stevens IT.  Stevens IT surely has its reputation at stake here, and your blog merely covers the allegations made by the school administration against Zhai.  In fact, the majority of the comments following your blog has provided a few rebuttals to your blog.</p>
<p>I have to admit that the term &#8220;terroristic threat&#8221; is new to me.  So our country is really going down the route of criminalizing certain kinds of speeches?  Adding the adjective &#8220;terroristic&#8221; surely could terrify a few.  The problem is who is to decide whether a speech is sufficiently &#8220;terroristic&#8221; or not?</p>
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