Sat 28 Feb 2009
Will: Climate Science, sure…
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Climate Science in A Tornado
by George F. Will
Friday, February 27, 2009
Few phenomena generate as much heat as disputes about current orthodoxies concerning global warming. This column recently reported and commented on some developments pertinent to the debate about whether global warming is occurring and what can and should be done. That column, which expressed skepticism about some emphatic proclamations by the alarmed, took a stroll down memory lane, through the debris of 1970s predictions about the near certainty of calamitous global cooling.
Concerning those predictions, the New York Times was — as it is today in a contrary crusade — a megaphone for the alarmed, as when (May 21, 1975) it reported that “a major cooling of the climate” was “widely considered inevitable” because it was “well established” that the Northern Hemisphere’s climate “has been getting cooler since about 1950.” Now the Times, a trumpet that never sounds retreat in today’s war against warming, has afforded this column an opportunity to revisit another facet of this subject — meretricious journalism in the service of dubious certitudes.
On Wednesday, the Times carried a “news analysis” — a story in the paper’s news section, but one that was not just reporting news — accusing Al Gore and this columnist of inaccuracies. Gore can speak for himself. So can this columnist.
Reporter Andrew Revkin’s story was headlined: “In Debate on Climate Change, Exaggeration Is a Common Pitfall.” Regarding exaggeration, the Times knows whereof it speaks, especially when it revisits, if it ever does, its reporting on the global cooling scare of the 1970s, and its reporting and editorializing — sometimes a distinction without a difference — concerning today’s climate controversies.
Which returns us to Revkin. In a story ostensibly about journalism, he simply asserts — how does he know this? — that the last decade, which passed without warming, was just “a pause in warming.” His attempt to contact this writer was an e-mail sent at 5:47 p.m., a few hours before the Times began printing his story, which was not so time-sensitive — it concerned controversies already many days running — that it had to appear the next day. But Revkin reported that “experts said” this columnist’s intervention in the climate debate was “riddled with” inaccuracies. Revkin’s supposed experts might exist and might have expertise but they do not have names that Revkin wished to divulge.
As for the anonymous scientists’ unspecified claims about the column’s supposedly myriad inaccuracies: The column contained many factual assertions but only one has been challenged. The challenge is mistaken.
Citing data from the University of Illinois’ Arctic Climate Research Center, as interpreted on Jan. 1 by Daily Tech, a technology and science news blog, the column said that since September “the increase in sea ice has been the fastest change, either up or down, since 1979, when satellite record-keeping began.” According to the center, global sea ice levels at the end of 2008 were “near or slightly lower than” those of 1979. The center generally does not make its statistics available, but in a Jan. 12 statement the center confirmed that global sea ice levels were within a difference of less than 3 percent of the 1980 level.
So the column accurately reported what the center had reported. But on Feb. 15, the Sunday the column appeared, the center, then receiving many e-mail inquiries, issued a statement saying “we do not know where George Will is getting his information.” The answer was: From the center, via Daily Tech. Consult the center’s Web site where, on Jan. 12, the center posted the confirmation of the data that this column subsequently reported accurately.
The scientists at the Illinois center offer their statistics with responsible caveats germane to margins of error in measurements and precise seasonal comparisons of year-on-year estimates of global sea ice. Nowadays, however, scientists often find themselves enveloped in furies triggered by any expression of skepticism about the global warming consensus (which will prevail until a diametrically different consensus comes along; see the 1970s) in the media-environmental complex. Concerning which:
On Feb. 18 the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center reported that from early January until the middle of this month, a defective performance by satellite monitors that measure sea ice caused an underestimation of the extent of Arctic sea ice by 193,000 square miles, which is approximately the size of California. The Times (”All the news that’s fit to print”), which as of this writing had not printed that story, should unleash Revkin and his unnamed experts.
©2009 The Washington Post Company
Welcome back JS. Reposted Will column to open the topic on Balkingpoints
I gather, and certainly a major international issue.
No surprise to hear a far-right talker like himself or Limbaugh, try to attack the scientific validity of global warming evidence. I take the evidence at legit value – not part of a vast left wing conspiracy… – but then question it when living through another frigid cold winter in the Midwestern U.S.
Uhm, “how can this be?” ;^)
Isn’t the real / not real argument an irrelevant one however. Few would argue that Western and Eastern nations, don’t badly need to achieve energy independence and get off their addiction to oil. Biofuels is the way to do that – technology being in place for biodiesel & wind, and emerging for solar & hydrogen fuel cells.
With regime change in Washington we have new emphasis on conversion, although it will fail without Obama personally driving an Apollo Project to get it done – just as each president since the 1973 oil embargo has been derelict on the matter.
So you move to green energy for your own economic health and geopolitical security, and the carbon emissions go away also.
There’s always going to be those who try to discredit others for things said because this day in age, it’s almost a way of life. I choose to change to solar and wind power, not because Gore said it was a good idea, but rather because I didn’t mind paying my small “up-front” electrical bill in advance and not have to worry about that bill anymore. With the 25 year warranty on the products I bought, I doubt I’ll be around long enough to outlive that warranty. (My neighbors are still using their old products from 35 years ago) My major concern about “alternative energy” right now is, I see too many products coming from China with only a 1 to 3 year warranty. That’s disturbing because that could send a message that solar and wind products have to be replaced far too often to make them worth it. My other concern is, the solar dealers are making almost double off of the orders they place for their customers. I know this first hand because I got taken for the unpleasant joyride myself, one time. Then I found PartsOnSale.com and regained the “Worth” of the whole idea. I would like to see the fuel-cells become more popular but there’s still another idea floating around that sounds even better. The generator that is impossibly, in theory. It creates more power then it uses and it runs on its own power. This is in use today! It’s done with magnets but it’s not available in the US right now. I find this disturbing because the man who build Coral Castle in South Florida built himself just such a generator and did so in the early 60’s if my memory serves me well. The possbilities are endless when it comes to getting away from the fossil fuels we seem to be so dependent upon. Google the Air Car. Runs on pure air. It can’t come to the US until first, it becomes more massively produced and second, until it would meet the safety requirements.
Welcome aboard Eagle Eye! As dire as economic times are at present, I love the potential for biofuels / alternative energy to open new doors in not only the world’s economic future, but it’s prospects for peace. Look at the geopolitical strife you get into because of oil dependence; ridiculous.
I have been pitching friends on the idea of solar panels dropping in price, upon eventual mass production of them. Manufacture quality being an issue, but if we solve that and scale it up like an Intel CPU, I’ll bet they then come into affordability range for tens of millions of houses. And then the geographic / sunny days issue becomes less of a roadblock. If affordable to install, you’d do it to capture whatever sun energy you get on your house…
Regarding the Global warming issue, I think it is just a distraction from the real issue of pollution, this is called “greenwashing”, now we can buy “flex-fuel” and “hybrid” and other fashionable auto’s and continue to pollute,when we should be investing in mass transit , the issue is massive waste in almost all sectors of energy use, this seems to keep the economy going until now,,,my opinion is ,,,if we are going to make it as a species , we need full scale conversion towards energy effiecency in all sectors namely ,transport, housing, food, tax the hell out of carbon, and pull hard on the reigns of this oil dependent economy, if we dont do it , more pollution war and waste. Sorry for the run on sentences,,,but people, we dont have the time for bio-fuels ,besides they are eating up rainforests in borneo and driving up food prices all over,havent you read the news?!
Billions to auto companies, and greedy, socially irresponsible banks? Is this what we are going to let our governments do? Stop and imagine if that kind of funding went into sustainable / renewable energy. Take just one billion and setup a challenge to inventors and R&D types to come up with new sustainable / renewable ways to make things move and operate, or improve on what exists.
Also, I don’t believe much will change until people change their perception / attitude of me vs. you, us vs. them, my god vs. your god, my race vs. your race, etc…
Also also, I am against Biofuel. It is killing people by turning food into fuel at the expense of the most needy and poverty stricken segment of us, and I believe it will accellerate the demise of the family farm and accelerate the creation of more factory farms. Lets think beyond that as was suggested above. Humans don’t have the luxury of time anymore. Earth doesn’t care. When earth has had enough, we will disappear.
Welcome in to Sam from Maine, and Scott from Canada!
Glorbal warming is simply a theology. It is not IN FACT proven scientific data. It is data gathered by scientists who have developed a THEORY! Nobody knows whether they’re right, or whether they’re wrong.
Until somebody PROVES UP their science, then I don’t see any need for this government to be sucking up billions of taxpayer dollars to promote or act on such unproven data.
We have enough fossil fuels right here in the US to remove us from foreign oil to a huge percent. We let the greenie weenies and the ecologists convince us to cap our wells, and stop drilling…we could have already had enough oil in storage to last us the rest of the millenia…and on top of that average Americans could’ve been rich from selling their oil, and well paid in jobs to support the industry.
Social engineering is failed policy. The federal government needs to be kicked back all the way to DC so that we the people can get on with the business of governance and create our own wealth.
Rowdy USA says:
10 March, 2009 at 7:53 PM
Global warming is simply a theology. It is not IN FACT proven scientific data. It is data gathered by scientists who have developed a THEORY! Nobody knows whether they’re right, or whether they’re wrong.
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Finally a voice of reason.
This whole Global Warming scheme seems to be another socio/economic engineering scheme to spread the wealth from the developed nations to the developing nations. These engineers however are behind the curve.
But now the developed economies are broke and deeply in debt to guess who, the developing economies like China.
Ratification of a treaty like Kyoto would completely destroy the economies of the US while simultaneously allowing China and others, complete and unfettered use of fossil fuels.
And all for an unproven theory that is looking more and more like a deliberate scam intended to reallocate the world’s wealth.
Environmentalism is a faith that has no basis in fact but is still believed whole heartedly by those who want to destroy our American way of life, liberty, and prosperity. But it is indeed a fundamentalist religion with science as their god.
The God of Science pays a dividend of course; clean air, water, ecosystem balance, things like that… ;^)
Welcome aboard Steve!
Americans have enjoyed and prospered as a society because of our ability to have access to a lot of energy in the form of ‘natural resources’,otherwise called our environment. We have used up a lot of these resources, and polluted a lot of it too. For some reason we just do not seem able to live a sustainable ‘way of life’ Because we are Americans and we are proud we keep driving our society towards a depleted future with more and more pollution and chaos. So like I said before ,the global warming issue , is called ‘greenwashing’,
What ever you belive in you had better believe that the oil will dry up sooner rather than later with our human habits.
Welcome back Scott …Winnipeg, possibly :^)
You know, what you bring up used to be feared about fossil fuels – we’ll
run out. You’d think that would be more true now, yet supply is hardly on the radar / pushed off by global warming.
How are those MB winters? As much of a Progressive as I am, I remain skeptical about global warming. We’ve had very cold winters and springs lately in the U.S. midwest, courtesy of one Arctic clipper after another. Arctic air, is not warmer. Not for us.
Like I mentioned, that particular question is academic for me anyway.
We need to get off fossil fuels and on to renewable biofuels – all nations
do – for economic, environmental and geopolitical reasons apart from climate change. It’s day is dawning, cO2 emission harms or not.
30-40 years ago it was widely held in the science press, that world population growth was the coming calamity. But eventually the numbers stopped supporting that looming crisis, and they got off it… ;^)
You people crack me up! Global warming…. Global cooling…. Global climate change. And we humans are the cause of the whole mess. Ya’ll are pretty arrogant. Before I get into my rant, let me say that I believe we as habitants of this planet are really messing things up. That said, WE did NOT cause global warming, global cooling or global climate change. Do a little more research and you’ll find that this planet has gone through this sort of thing before. Six times as a matter of fact. We are merely heading for number 7. We also can’t stop it. About all we can do is clean the place up so that when the planet thaws back out, things will be able to grow and the people begin to prosper again. I’m doing my part. I haven’t driven my 5 sports cars in about 5 years, I haven’t driven my minivan in about 8 months and I use an electric wheelchair to get around most of the time.
Welcome aboard Dale36/USA. Don’t know what you mean by arrogant – nobody in the thread seems to be without skepticism of global warming!
I can’t believe what I am hearing! We need to increase taxes to reduce consumption and save the planet. If we don’t it is well known that the ice caps will melt and flood everything. It is just sooo well known I can’t believe anyone doesn’t know this! Make gas $100/gal!