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		<title>By: USA / Roy G</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1632</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Roy G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. House has narrowly passed it&#039;s version of health reform, and the Senate on Saturday just passed a procedural vote (60 of 100 Senators required) to begin debate on it&#039;s bill.

The Senate vote is a shocking display of how beholden the corrupt GOP is, to the health insurance industry. Not a single Republican voted with the 60 majority &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;to even begin debate&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.

Secure in their own government-subsidized health insurance, the Republicans are marching in lock-step exactly as they did during the
failed Bush Regime. They have absolutely no idea what it is to work for a subsistence wage, unable to access routine medical care &amp; always be one illness away from financial ruin.

100 million Americans - 1/3rd of their countrymen - are un or underinsured and in that exact position. While they kick and scream in obstruction of 
this direly needed social progress, and flail around with scare tactics like &quot;socialism&quot; and red herrings like &quot;tort reform&quot;. The Republicans are perfectly content to let this barbaric, only-in-America conditon continue, 
so that their corrupt masters at insurers like Cigna, United HC, Humana 
and Aetna - can go right on making massive profits by insuring only the 
well and excluding the sick (well documented fact on B/P).

Clinging like a wounded bear to the failed free-market health care system which they have forced down the throat of the American people since the Truman administration, the GOP has zero credibility by now on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. House has narrowly passed it&#8217;s version of health reform, and the Senate on Saturday just passed a procedural vote (60 of 100 Senators required) to begin debate on it&#8217;s bill.</p>
<p>The Senate vote is a shocking display of how beholden the corrupt GOP is, to the health insurance industry. Not a single Republican voted with the 60 majority <strong><em>to even begin debate</em></strong>.</p>
<p>Secure in their own government-subsidized health insurance, the Republicans are marching in lock-step exactly as they did during the<br />
failed Bush Regime. They have absolutely no idea what it is to work for a subsistence wage, unable to access routine medical care &amp; always be one illness away from financial ruin.</p>
<p>100 million Americans &#8211; 1/3rd of their countrymen &#8211; are un or underinsured and in that exact position. While they kick and scream in obstruction of<br />
this direly needed social progress, and flail around with scare tactics like &#8220;socialism&#8221; and red herrings like &#8220;tort reform&#8221;. The Republicans are perfectly content to let this barbaric, only-in-America conditon continue,<br />
so that their corrupt masters at insurers like Cigna, United HC, Humana<br />
and Aetna &#8211; can go right on making massive profits by insuring only the<br />
well and excluding the sick (well documented fact on B/P).</p>
<p>Clinging like a wounded bear to the failed free-market health care system which they have forced down the throat of the American people since the Truman administration, the GOP has zero credibility by now on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Roy G</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Roy G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 04:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back Thoreau Fan. I also believe that Obama winning the Nobel on overtures alone, is a sharp reflection on the disdain held in the world for the Bush model of world relations. They seem to be awarding the change in approach itself.

Others have suggested it represents pro-active pressure, for Obama to now earn the Peace Prize and not sink back into the same patterns as other American presidents, which have often resulted in  misuse of military power.

That being said, Obama inherited from Bush protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is not able to just flip the off switch. It is up to him to find the very difficult pathways, to keep pressure on gihadists whom will strike at innocents around the world again, but also eliminate U.S. military presence where it should never have been placed by his predecessors. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Thoreau Fan. I also believe that Obama winning the Nobel on overtures alone, is a sharp reflection on the disdain held in the world for the Bush model of world relations. They seem to be awarding the change in approach itself.</p>
<p>Others have suggested it represents pro-active pressure, for Obama to now earn the Peace Prize and not sink back into the same patterns as other American presidents, which have often resulted in  misuse of military power.</p>
<p>That being said, Obama inherited from Bush protracted wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and is not able to just flip the off switch. It is up to him to find the very difficult pathways, to keep pressure on gihadists whom will strike at innocents around the world again, but also eliminate U.S. military presence where it should never have been placed by his predecessors.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Thoreau Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Thoreau Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Pat,always good to have civilized neighbors, even if our elected officials aren&#039;t. I&#039;m originally from New England so the weather shouldn&#039;t be  too much of a shock, and Roy, it can&#039;t be that hard to get firearms in this country, the Repubs at least make sure of that, lol.
I&#039;ve since calmed a bit, forgot that letting the &quot;fools that rule&quot; bother you is kind of counter productive. As things are progressing I&#039;m sort of hopeful for a last minute amendment for the public option to sneak in, as there still seems to be support for it. As history teaches Baucus and cohorts can&#039;t stop progress forever. Would like to see our President way in a little more on it though, also I hear congrats are in order to him for the Nobel Peace Prize. As surprising as it seems, perhaps &quot;W&#039;s&quot; enduring legacy will be based on the fact that he was so bad that Mr. Obama wins a Nobel prize for just starting to behave like an actual President, before actually gaining any hard concessions toward peace !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Pat,always good to have civilized neighbors, even if our elected officials aren&#8217;t. I&#8217;m originally from New England so the weather shouldn&#8217;t be  too much of a shock, and Roy, it can&#8217;t be that hard to get firearms in this country, the Repubs at least make sure of that, lol.<br />
I&#8217;ve since calmed a bit, forgot that letting the &#8220;fools that rule&#8221; bother you is kind of counter productive. As things are progressing I&#8217;m sort of hopeful for a last minute amendment for the public option to sneak in, as there still seems to be support for it. As history teaches Baucus and cohorts can&#8217;t stop progress forever. Would like to see our President way in a little more on it though, also I hear congrats are in order to him for the Nobel Peace Prize. As surprising as it seems, perhaps &#8220;W&#8217;s&#8221; enduring legacy will be based on the fact that he was so bad that Mr. Obama wins a Nobel prize for just starting to behave like an actual President, before actually gaining any hard concessions toward peace !</p>
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		<title>By: Canada / Pat Morin</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>Canada / Pat Morin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 16:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Canada accepts all disgruntled Americans,  Thoreau Fan ! You must sign a pact at the border agreeing to not complain about any cold weather!

In reality there was a big increase in the number of applications from the United States, right after George Bush was reelected in 2004. If they were to get back into power I&#039;d expect it will go through the ceiling again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Canada accepts all disgruntled Americans,  Thoreau Fan ! You must sign a pact at the border agreeing to not complain about any cold weather!</p>
<p>In reality there was a big increase in the number of applications from the United States, right after George Bush was reelected in 2004. If they were to get back into power I&#8217;d expect it will go through the ceiling again.</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Roy G</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Roy G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baucus might as well be a Republican, as beholdened as he is to the wealthy - in this case the very wealthy insurance lobby. Fortunately his Senate Finance Committee is the one caving in the most, of the 5 proposals working through Congress.

Even if his bill becomes law unaltered, uninsured Americans would get subsidized according to means, to go buy policies from the insurance sharks. And they supposedly cannot exclude on pre-existing illness or cancel you after you get too sick.

Which gets the foot in the door, on an item of mass social deprivation which has gone on for decades. From there future Congresses can realize what a giveaway they handed insurers, and rework the thing into a far more efficient single-payer model.

At least I hold out some hope of that result. Meanwhile, active political bloggers will keep spotlighting the campaign-donor corruptions of most of Capitol Hill - we know Media Inc. won&#039;t do it. Besides, I haven&#039;t got a musket...   ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baucus might as well be a Republican, as beholdened as he is to the wealthy &#8211; in this case the very wealthy insurance lobby. Fortunately his Senate Finance Committee is the one caving in the most, of the 5 proposals working through Congress.</p>
<p>Even if his bill becomes law unaltered, uninsured Americans would get subsidized according to means, to go buy policies from the insurance sharks. And they supposedly cannot exclude on pre-existing illness or cancel you after you get too sick.</p>
<p>Which gets the foot in the door, on an item of mass social deprivation which has gone on for decades. From there future Congresses can realize what a giveaway they handed insurers, and rework the thing into a far more efficient single-payer model.</p>
<p>At least I hold out some hope of that result. Meanwhile, active political bloggers will keep spotlighting the campaign-donor corruptions of most of Capitol Hill &#8211; we know Media Inc. won&#8217;t do it. Besides, I haven&#8217;t got a musket&#8230;   ;^)</p>
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		<title>By: USA / Thoreau Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>USA / Thoreau Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, big surprise today, seems Mr. Baucus is loyally following the interests of his campaign contributors and not the people he supposedly represents. This is actually bothering me much more than politics usually does, and that says a lot.
The flagrant disregard he shows toward the best interests of the American people simply astounds me ! Perhaps it&#039;s the fact that this issue affects so many, the least able to defend themselves the most, that it is morally reprehensible !
I am truly ashamed of my country and it&#039;s politics, we got rid of the most ineffectual president, possibly of all time, only to be thrown to the wolves by the brazen arrogance of such openly bought and paid for politicos as Mr. Baucus. Truly a sad day for the American people.
I hate to say it but, we need another revolution. 
Excuse me for ranting, my only defense is that I truly believed that for once, with an elected mandate such as the Democrats got in the last election, we actually might see some beneficial reform that would actually help the average American. 
Can we apply for &quot;medical asylum&quot; to any of the more CIVILISED countries ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, big surprise today, seems Mr. Baucus is loyally following the interests of his campaign contributors and not the people he supposedly represents. This is actually bothering me much more than politics usually does, and that says a lot.<br />
The flagrant disregard he shows toward the best interests of the American people simply astounds me ! Perhaps it&#8217;s the fact that this issue affects so many, the least able to defend themselves the most, that it is morally reprehensible !<br />
I am truly ashamed of my country and it&#8217;s politics, we got rid of the most ineffectual president, possibly of all time, only to be thrown to the wolves by the brazen arrogance of such openly bought and paid for politicos as Mr. Baucus. Truly a sad day for the American people.<br />
I hate to say it but, we need another revolution.<br />
Excuse me for ranting, my only defense is that I truly believed that for once, with an elected mandate such as the Democrats got in the last election, we actually might see some beneficial reform that would actually help the average American.<br />
Can we apply for &#8220;medical asylum&#8221; to any of the more CIVILISED countries ?</p>
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		<title>By: UK / Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1511</link>
		<dc:creator>UK / Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the T.R. Reid article cited above, UK is characterised as the closet to socialized medicine. Government  hospitals and doctors. Yet as Michael Moore tried to tell Americans in his movie &quot;Sicko&quot;, Brits are delighted generally with our system. 

And as the chart above shows, we&#039;ve come in at nearly the lowest costs per capita. Americans are being misled by their media about ours and other well working national systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the T.R. Reid article cited above, UK is characterised as the closet to socialized medicine. Government  hospitals and doctors. Yet as Michael Moore tried to tell Americans in his movie &#8220;Sicko&#8221;, Brits are delighted generally with our system. </p>
<p>And as the chart above shows, we&#8217;ve come in at nearly the lowest costs per capita. Americans are being misled by their media about ours and other well working national systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy G</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1474</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to B/P, Berlin1929. That is a great point about the rush to invasion of Iraq not objected to at all, by these same voices who say &quot;slow down&quot; on health reform. Hell, America is already 40-years slow on it by my reading...

Sammy: I hope Obama&#039;s policy successes as he goes along, will give us reason for optimism against entrenched corporate interests that benefit from the status quo.

They wanted McCain and didn&#039;t get him, and they wanted Bush 1 when ordinary Americans overrode that for Bill Clinton. From the abolition of slavery to woman&#039;s right to vote, from child labor laws and 40-hour work weeks, minimum wage and retirement security, guaranteed civil rights by gender, ethnicity, age and infirmity - America has always met these social crossroads and made the choice for social progress, instead of a broken status quo...

Thoreau Fan / goodoleboy: Knowledge is power (or, is supposed to be... ;^)

The campaign financing websites are the place to start - follow the money to the truth. We have to dig it up and elevate it manually, since the major media keeps it all hush-hush. Darn that &quot;liberal&quot; media...   ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to B/P, Berlin1929. That is a great point about the rush to invasion of Iraq not objected to at all, by these same voices who say &#8220;slow down&#8221; on health reform. Hell, America is already 40-years slow on it by my reading&#8230;</p>
<p>Sammy: I hope Obama&#8217;s policy successes as he goes along, will give us reason for optimism against entrenched corporate interests that benefit from the status quo.</p>
<p>They wanted McCain and didn&#8217;t get him, and they wanted Bush 1 when ordinary Americans overrode that for Bill Clinton. From the abolition of slavery to woman&#8217;s right to vote, from child labor laws and 40-hour work weeks, minimum wage and retirement security, guaranteed civil rights by gender, ethnicity, age and infirmity &#8211; America has always met these social crossroads and made the choice for social progress, instead of a broken status quo&#8230;</p>
<p>Thoreau Fan / goodoleboy: Knowledge is power (or, is supposed to be&#8230; ;^)</p>
<p>The campaign financing websites are the place to start &#8211; follow the money to the truth. We have to dig it up and elevate it manually, since the major media keeps it all hush-hush. Darn that &#8220;liberal&#8221; media&#8230;   ;^)</p>
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		<title>By: United States(goodoleboy)</title>
		<link>http://www.balkingpoints.com/balk/archives/613#comment-1472</link>
		<dc:creator>United States(goodoleboy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry wrong site.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.OpenSecrets.org&quot; target=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.OpenSecrets.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry wrong site.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.OpenSecrets.org"  target="blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.OpenSecrets.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: United States(goodoleboy)</title>
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		<dc:creator>United States(goodoleboy)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoreau Fan:

I have found one site that seems to be easier for me to use.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.OpenSecrets.com&quot; target=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.OpenSecrets.com&lt;/a&gt;

Non Partison information on
Any lawmaker or office you want information on. So far great site.
just plug in the name and pick the
election year you want to view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoreau Fan:</p>
<p>I have found one site that seems to be easier for me to use.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.OpenSecrets.com"  target="blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.OpenSecrets.com</a></p>
<p>Non Partison information on<br />
Any lawmaker or office you want information on. So far great site.<br />
just plug in the name and pick the<br />
election year you want to view.</p>
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